“Religion Ceases to Exist in the Middle East”

Here is a scenario and question for you: You wake up tomorrow morning and to your utter astonishment your paper’s front page reads: “Religion Ceases to Exist in the Middle East”. Will this increase or decrees the chance for Peace between the Arabs and the Jews?

Here is what some good folks over at facebook had to say when I posted my hypothetical scenario and question to them:

Shalom Roi, The scenario you describe would be the perfect setup for a false “peace” that would merely become “the calm before the storm”, and then with everyone doing “what’s right in their OWN eyes” outside of moral guidelines, there truly would be hell on earth such as has not been seen since the days of faithful Noach just before the Flood…..

If there is no more religion in the middle east then there definitly wudnt be any problems between arabs and jews .. and that only because jews will cease to exist .. since jews refer to people who follow judaism.. which is a religion and thus doesnt exist..

I do think religion plays a major role, I think the Jerusalem and the settlers issues would be easier to accept for both sides, there would be no groups like hamas and islamic jihad, hence much less terrorist attacks….

This is my view. The whole conflict is based around the concept of religion. Time and time again you see Jewish settlers and Muslim Palestinians over the news. Religion, if one believes in it, is supposed to be peaceful, the whole Palestine/Israel conflict seems to contradict that notion…..

I think if anything it would cause more violence. These people believe in their religion so much, i think if they found out that it wasn’t real they would probably lash out against their counterparts whom they already hate….

In my opinion, I think religion doesnt play a great role in the conflict. Jews and Muslims lived togeather under each others rules in Madina with the prophet (pbuh)…..

The issue here is tolerance, not religion. No matter what you call your creator, if you call it God, Jesus Christ, Allah, Science, Mother Nature, or a host of other names.. the simple fact is that we are all brothers and sisters of the SAME creation. Jews and Arabs weren’t created by different forces. We all have the common brotherhood of humanity and should peacefully work toward achieving more tolerant societies. Neither religion preaches intolerance and hatred yet it exists. So i think without those guiding forces a similiar conflict would still exist. It would certainly have a different origin. the same sort of conflict could exist over economics, capitalism vs. socialism. The FARC in Colombia have been fighting for 40 years over economics of their country. The U.S. have been waging a much more silent, yet still just as real) economic war against Cuba for 50 years. I think it comes down to tolerance.

I’m a Christian, but I believe God gave Israel to the Jewish people. Although he took it away at times throughout history, he always returned the Jews to their land, because it is rightfully theirs….

The conflict has very little to do with religion anymore- yes Judaism always ‘yearned for a return to Zion” and Jerusalem is a Holy City for the Muslims too. But I think the conflict has moved beyond religion. Its about land, power, racial supremacy and pride. On the other hand if there was no longer a Koranic quote that states “”The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.” Then maybe there could be peace. Because after the Arabs wouldn’t be fighting for an Arab and there Muslim majority. Don’t know its a difficult question……I sometimes think that if Israel was a Christian country rather than a Jewish one the conflict would be no different. Look at what happend to the Coptic Christians in Lebanon. Not much different in some ways.

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8 responses to ““Religion Ceases to Exist in the Middle East”

  1. I love the dream of eradicating all roots of any religion what so ever. I believe that the cause of all profound evil can be found in religion.
    If we go thorough all the wars in history, we will discover that people performed the most horrible acts in the name of God. This should come to an end!
    How can anyone explain the desire for justification of all immoral acts?
    By hiding behind religion, people can do anything they perceive is allowed by the ancient rules, that’s the only justification they need.
    I will gladly welcome the headlines you are talking about and I truly believe that it will take off barrier, people will have to deal with the real problems and not hide behind stories created over 2000 years ago.

  2. This is as great of a “theory” as the Lord of the Rings being a true story. But interestingly, many Jews still insist on spreading lies and hatred. They see things from their perspective only as in:

    the settlers issues would be easier to accept for both sides, there would be no groups like hamas and islamic jihad, hence much less terrorist attacks….

    More alarming is the claim that the person commenting herein states:

    I’m a Christian, but I believe God gave Israel to the Jewish people. Although he took it away at times throughout history, he always returned the Jews to their land, because it is rightfully theirs….

    Interesting that a Christian knows more about Orthodox Jews following the their own teachings. Have you heard of Jews United against Zionism? Check out (not my blog) Youtube and watch a clip about Jewish beliefs.

    Finally, the “Christian” writer discredits himself/herself in quoting the Quran with:

    On the other hand if there was no longer a Koranic quote that states “”The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.”

    I searched the Quranic verses with just the word Jew. I got three pages of different verses either praising Jews who followed the Command or scolded those who did not. Nowhere was there any reference to this zionist-type propaganda and claim quoted above.

    You’re welcome to read more here: http://attendingtheworld.wordpress.com/2007/10/20/the-land-of-whom/

    ATW

  3. ATW, thanks for taking the time to write this. However, I strongly object to what you are saying: The Lord of the Rings is true 🙂 Also, you should look up the word” theory” – as I provided no theory in this entry. I simply asked a question: What will happen if we removed religion from the scene? Will it increase or decrease the chances for peace between Jews and Arabs? Simple question, no theory. Too bad you did not try answering it.

    Regarding the supposed Quranic verse which calls for a nature/muslim tag-team effort to kill off Jews, you are correct, it is not to be found in any sura. Kudos for you for pointing that out. However, it is a hadith (Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176). It reads:

    Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar:

    Allah’s Apostle said, “You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.’ ”

    Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”

    Now, in your post, you called this saying of the prophet Muhammad, “zionist-type propaganda”. So, are you saying that Hertzl wrote this hadith? If so, you better call and tell this to Hamas, as they have incorporated it into their charter.

    Tell the truth, were you ignorant, or just dishonest when you made those comments?

  4. godlessjew.. 🙂

    My comments were in reference to the “person” who commented and you quoted. Period. I thought I made that clear.

    As for the Hadith, yes it maybe a Hadith and it maybe just one of those erroneous Hadiths that people love to use to discredit Islam and Muslims. But even if it was a true Hadith, why is this considered “wrong” versus the Christian mentality of Armageddon? It seems that it is a parallel, don’t you think?

    Regards,

    ATW

  5. ATW,

    Yes, it is parallel. All I am saying is let’s not white-wash anything. Lets take an honest and cold look at all these “sacred” traditions. I think we can agree on that.

  6. Religion is just one of many pretenses for the conflict. Take away religion and there will still be land disputes, cultural tensions, historical issues, and language barriers. Besides that, the residual spite and bitterness left over from centuries of conflict would not magically dissipate if religion disappeared.

  7. True dat , Terry. True dat!

  8. katia santibanez

    I agree with you Terry.
    Conflicts exist already between members of one family, my father doesn’t want to talk to me since 3 years because I have a more open mind than his ( I will not go into details, it will be too long). I forgive him and still love him, he will never change, because his mind is always in the past, he doesn’t forget and doesn’t forgive and he doesn’t try to understand the world and other human being who are different than him.
    He is an atheist though.
    I wish I knew the solutions to stop the conflicts in the world.
    There are so many factors to conflicts ; religion, power, fear,indifference, retaliation…
    But our voices with forgiveness, unconditional love, freedom, respect, kindness, good education…. will help for a better world.
    And why do we have to go back all the time to what the religious books are saying? it is like adding more oil on the fire.

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